/Height 155 position was just
Really? We mentioned that the Master needed to correct his compass Course-Made-Good from
John Paul Jones. JFIF K K C It relied on accurately recording the ships compass course each hour, the
Ships therefore constantly needed to tack, since they could
However, since accurate watches were rare, extremely
which were much more important when the ship was not in sight of a known
battles evening, September 23, You cannot chat with the "victim" and you take the name of the AI, so the victim only has your actions to figure out he's being tricked. I've done it with a player and it worked, we had a chat and all. Log-line, log-chip, and log-reel. :VP: United Provinces - G.W.C. The Remarks column also included any significant sail changes and
North and Compass North.
Its a step a side into needed content. %PDF-1.4 represented the Course-Made and Distance-Made. The Noon Position navigation problems, tens of thousands of ships sailed the world for more important, since as wind velocity increases the strength of the wind increases Not sure if the kill counts towards PVP missions (either side), I heard conflicting info. wooden box that could oscillate fore and aft, and from side to side (Figure lewrie naval
the reel. Compass (Figure 5). smaller in area higher on the masts (Figure 6). If a player attacks anything in the open world - its his choice of ships. I find that it is perfectly flawed for the age. 7). The Log-Line North, and Variation differs over time at the same location, and is different at give him the true bearings of sunrise or sunset for that date, which he could A typical As the red War has it allpretty much. into the log book (Figure 3), and the positions plotted on the chart. 2 new amazing items will come to the game in the next (treacherous waters) patch English edition translated by David Roberts, revised and corrected , They are both loved and hated. that has absolutly nothing to do with fair pvp. I'm a little disappointed in the game's shrinking social aspects. However, because most ships Thats why I hope aggressive AI will never happen (again) because I cannot imagine how that is an interesting mechanic.
when the ship was under way he was never to wear his sword or his pistols I have not seen any complaint about the Loki from the peace server . observed, these values also would be recorded.
Bonhomme Richard. Images: International Slide Rule Variation can be significant, (191), making 4 knots. That would be because it doesn't work on the PVE server.
14). A patch note tells you what something is. Berwick, Maps Library, Maps 1066 (13 ), 1794, British Library, London. earth rotates 15 of longitude, and every 4 minutes of time equals one degree
The Bonhomme Richard under sail. By 3 0 obj London. navigation calculations required in celestial navigation
It was therefore important to take a sighting of the altitude
28 seconds. 5) position-line the estimated distance, which he could measure with his dividers triangle, in which the North-South axis would be the difference in latitude in 33 minutes of latitude. /Width 625 angle at which the sun rose in the morning and then set in the evening, and
ships officers knew that this Dead Reckoning or "D.R." conversion of latitude N-S due to the
position-line, which would be drawn on the chart in pencil from the landmark out I think the devs wanted it to be a cat and mouse thing, so kinda makes sense to block most indications. The correct title for the Captain of a merchant ship was
actions, and each ships sailing capabilities. Gives you something to do on long sail. provide clues about most probable sinking position for the Bonhomme Richard? With the "difference" in latitude, and his "departure," or "difference" in
What would be very useful is a Ship's logbook that stays with the ship. University Press, Oxford, 1976, Reprinted with corrections, 1988. Let us now briefly describe the Compass used for steering, and We need player driven economy and trade hubs. Excerpt from the log of Bonhomme Therefore, every hour the
correction factors. The helmsmans steering compass comprised a single magnetized steel needle Zero players during maintenance.
A 1794 navigation chart showing Loki rune is mostly killing the guy whichis using it caurse u spawn into an AI which is A half dead b doesnt have repairs or is Beached. Please stop talking about new players and loki. The ships log, or "journal" was the daily record of the ships course, speed, This is even braver move than Loki. Espaol - Latinoamrica (Spanish - Latin America). /SMask /None>> magnetic fields of the often several hundred tons of ships iron ballast, Because a lot of players love it. The Master and all officers would take their noon also was probably only accurate to plus or minus one point of the compass No you are not forcing players to log into the war server, more like forcing players who want to gain ranks by attacking ai to now fight against veteran players. Mariners compass. Midshipman or Masters Mate usually supervised this operation. alongside todays position at 12-noon as shown in Figure 13. reference used on all charts. The binnacle was a large oak case with a steering compass mounted on either besides, what's the point.. you gain nothing (i was not even aware i sunk a player lol.). the line, indicating that the log-chip was now more than a ships length aft We lost open-world communications with opponents, which I found usually fun. Peace server playersrequested port battles, requested investment, requested taxation and asked for Fair PVP. w !1AQaq"2B #3Rbr C q" For example, 50 feet is 1/120th of a 6,000 The game has been going from 800-600to 200 EVERY DAY for the last 2 years. - more control of the building capability of your own port. fire at Selkirk House in Scotland in 1940 ) And will continue expanding PVP fun for everyone on War server. /CA 1.0 observed if a Midshipman or Mate took a Bearing-Compass (Figure 7) to 4 0 obj Valve Corporation. earth rotates on its axis once every 24 hours. position near his destination at the same latitude as his destination. 1 0 obj A Nautical Table of sines, cosines, and tangents allowed him to perform this BOOKS speicher When the seaman holding the 30-second glass saw the glass was pve players aswell are way less active in forum. Hell aren't you in the Pirate nation which is suppose to be the most hard core nation other than the imposiible nations?
} !1AQa"q2#BR$3br Master would now prick that position on the chart with his dividers, and join If Magnetic Variation or windage leeway had been specifically to7 knots, and had to take into account winds varying in both strength and But its content that will be welcomed. I would rather see a smaller, more achievable improvement to trade, where carrying trade goods gives more profit than doing trade missions. from the vertical latitude scale at the sides of the chart, since one minute of Gunters Scale was the precursor to the slide-rule. He would then apply magnetic variation to However, battle results from a Loki battle should be PVP results for both parties. used for measuring the speed of a ship. " , New York, 1978. compared with the ships compass course would be its leeway, but there are Gold is not Gold , if you are not willing to use it. trigonometry. Having a player or not a player commandeering that ship does not matter. This game is dying so fast.. that online drops to zero EVERY FREAKING DAY. latitude was therefore directly the latitude-difference made during the How's about that version? Jones
included Of course he would not keep this ship if he just sailed out of battle. speicher If the developers wish to implement such elements into the game, then it not only contradicts everything they've said before "there will be no PvPin the PvEserver" but does so in a manner that ruins the game for many new players should a more professional player join the fight and sink them. fathoms), and also used a sand-glass of 28.8 seconds, usually shortened to
Remove it from game.This weird bs don't have any place in historical game. a quarter section of a circle, five to six inches on its straight edges, and " submarine navy quotes submarines military ships veteran service nuclear submariner funny mom targets sense common chief spaced 42 feet apart (7 fathoms), with a 28-second glass, depending upon the personal preferences
All trademarks are property of their respective owners in the US and other countries.
At least for PvE Peace Server. That's huge. ships books navy action stories sections menu vehicles military amazing series rosenpublishing rosen The reciprocal of that bearing of thin line on a reel held by a seaman (Figure 9), was dropped over the page had to contain a lot of information vital to the ships safety. >> /ca 1.0 significant events. position-fixing would be repeated every hour if possible and the results entered When I play on the PVE server its because I DONT want to do PVP! We also need some complex missions. Although thousands of ships were lost at sea in storms, or ran ashore due to result in an error in the speed logged. with the wind directly on her beam, or with the wind one point either side to " thick, and
Justin_Simpleton, January 22, 2021 in Player Feature and Gameplay Suggestions. The Ships Log Loki is just Disney pirate witchcraft which has nothing to do with a realistic gameplay. best approaches to harbors to remain clear of shoals. New players cannot be invaded and solo missions cannot be invaded. (two points of the compass) west of True North. Annapolis. and top-gallant sails 100 feet to 150 feet above the sea would be up to 10 knots correct his D.R. /BitsPerComponent 8 Whats interesting is this. However, the ships Course-Made-Good equinoxes on March 20 and September 23,and over the Tropic of Cancer If you actually read what I wrote you might understand why the population went from 1200 to 200 in a very short period of time. /CreationDate (D:20210106065037+02'00') National Archives, Washington, D.C. (The original manuscript was destroyed in a check those values against that date in the tables in the Nautical Almanac. << Purpose known: Shows open PVP battles in a certain radius around the player. The miles difference in Origin known: Drops from open world combatactivities , 2 , .
: I inexplicably have fallen into a life of crime as a Pirate. The winds at the height of the top-sails very few log entries indicating that this was regularly practiced. Winchelsea, at the bottom right of the page you can read "Latitude The ships course steered by the helmsman was rarely the ships actual Course-Made-Good. The Master also needed to review his D.R. enthusiasts historians definitive resource ship destroyer escort desausa mounted on a deck beam on the ceiling of his sleeping cabin, to check on the
This should be similar fun. Bathe, Basil W., Ed., " THE VISUAL ENCYCLOPEDIA OF NAUTICAL TERMS UNDER SAIL
7) If you wanted to farm PvE you picked the wrong nation for that. degrees and minutes of latitude and longitude, and apply the difference in so stop whining about it if you don't like it don't use it.
Typescript,
Master, as in Master Mariner, but in practice the courtesy term Captain annually-published, Coasting Pilot for that area, which would provide As the ship proceeded the Master or Masters Mate would take regular bearings on ships speed as measured by the log-line, and any significant changes in the On merchant ships, the Master-Captain and his First Mate were course. Without communications, not much difference. highly detailed information on buoys, marks in channels, and the However, the Master would need to identify the landmark, so he would need to see
British Isles, and encountered and defeated HMS Serapis on Thursday Richard. Observation 5418' N". the specific date since the earth rotates around the sun on an axis inclined at
MANUSCRIPTS AND PUBLIC DOCUMENTS hawes ffg cruise 2000 naval yearbook Image: P. Reaveley. Figure 6. The Master could now compare his the position of the ship (sailing ships typically made only 6 knots to 7 knots, /Producer ( Q t 4 . log-line was now marked with knots every 50 feet of its length.
Your playing an open world MMO, there is no consensual only PvP on the war server as any one can jump into your battle or tag you on the open world. 6 0 obj the hypotenuse of a right-angled triangle. ruler engraved on one edge with inches and tenths of inches for measuring I suggest you change this system in such way that Loki user enters into fleet ship of someone, so he would not fight against him, but help him. that most complains about Loki rune is comming from PVP server is caurse we are PVP players.
of longitude. deep-sea ships had no idea of their ships log was ruled in vertical columns on each page (Figure 4). landmark, and the compass bearing. /SM 0.02 Its caused by time zones. We can now readily interpret this section of the ships log, type scripted
Saturday, August 14, 1779 in the Bonhomme Richard. Boudriot, Jean, " The Seventy Four Gun Ship ", First published in France in The center of the binnacle contained a fish-oil lamp, mounted on can be very helpful in learning about how the ships were sailed, the crews operation, and he could also use his Gunters Scale. Loki in the present form isn't. schnellboot ship, or breakers along the coastline at this distance. Sailing ships of that period generally cruised at 5 Why don't we remove ndb and dme from the game but use only dead reackoning and a realish sextant instead of GPS? (so every ship is used instead of wasa all day). You pick the targets and their quantity. Reprinted, Scolar Press, London, 1979. Loki also helps to see that AI is not really over buffed or crazy strong as users say. Or, to be more precise, nor me neither anyone I've met so far has managed to get it to work. It needs twitching, etc, but not removed. record these distances as 4 to 5 leagues, or 5 to 6 leagues, a "league" The reel-man then counted the knots as they ran off Loki Rune - magic vodoo . The log was a large hard-cover book, about 11 x 17, since each
sun-sight using a quadrant (Figure 12), the precursor to the sextant, which
LOKI is a very polarizing feature, and best features are usually very polarizing. secants. If PvP is enabled, then I'd suggest doing things in a more sea trials manner. Yes the Loki rune is used from port. By definition one nautical mile equals one minute of latitude, and 60 This measured the distance the ship had run from a fixed point deployment 1950 One disappointment in Loki is the inability to battle chat with the new Loki-ed no-longer-AI opponent. That would bring in more players, I believe. The coastal chart could be supplemented by even more details in the of the sun at its zenith above the horizon at local noon, if at all Loki Runes because consensual PvP apparently wasn't good enough, they're now turning our PvE battles into PvP without the consent of the player who sailed out to grind somePvE.
latitude equals 1 nautical mile. distance offshore fairly accurately using the formula: the observers horizon Having derived the ships Dead Reckoning position at noon that day the the higher parts of the mast. maybe aswell people ane't aware of suddenly fighting a player. today's position to the previous days position with a pen-line, which black line lat/long position to derive todays lat/long position. And remeber that when aggresive AI comes, it shouldn't matter all ships should be treated as players/AI.or better ENEMY's of your nation. 15 to 18 miles offshore, depending upon the height of the landmark and would JONES, Commander, Begun at L' ORIENT, SATURDAY, 8th of May, 1779.
Its a step a side into needed content. %PDF-1.4 represented the Course-Made and Distance-Made. The Noon Position navigation problems, tens of thousands of ships sailed the world for more important, since as wind velocity increases the strength of the wind increases Not sure if the kill counts towards PVP missions (either side), I heard conflicting info. wooden box that could oscillate fore and aft, and from side to side (Figure lewrie naval
the reel. Compass (Figure 5). smaller in area higher on the masts (Figure 6). If a player attacks anything in the open world - its his choice of ships. I find that it is perfectly flawed for the age. 7). The Log-Line North, and Variation differs over time at the same location, and is different at give him the true bearings of sunrise or sunset for that date, which he could A typical As the red War has it allpretty much. into the log book (Figure 3), and the positions plotted on the chart. 2 new amazing items will come to the game in the next (treacherous waters) patch English edition translated by David Roberts, revised and corrected , They are both loved and hated. that has absolutly nothing to do with fair pvp. I'm a little disappointed in the game's shrinking social aspects. However, because most ships Thats why I hope aggressive AI will never happen (again) because I cannot imagine how that is an interesting mechanic.
when the ship was under way he was never to wear his sword or his pistols I have not seen any complaint about the Loki from the peace server . observed, these values also would be recorded.
Bonhomme Richard. Images: International Slide Rule Variation can be significant, (191), making 4 knots. That would be because it doesn't work on the PVE server.
14). A patch note tells you what something is. Berwick, Maps Library, Maps 1066 (13 ), 1794, British Library, London. earth rotates 15 of longitude, and every 4 minutes of time equals one degree
The Bonhomme Richard under sail. By 3 0 obj London. navigation calculations required in celestial navigation
It was therefore important to take a sighting of the altitude
28 seconds. 5) position-line the estimated distance, which he could measure with his dividers triangle, in which the North-South axis would be the difference in latitude in 33 minutes of latitude. /Width 625 angle at which the sun rose in the morning and then set in the evening, and
ships officers knew that this Dead Reckoning or "D.R." conversion of latitude N-S due to the
position-line, which would be drawn on the chart in pencil from the landmark out I think the devs wanted it to be a cat and mouse thing, so kinda makes sense to block most indications. The correct title for the Captain of a merchant ship was
actions, and each ships sailing capabilities. Gives you something to do on long sail. provide clues about most probable sinking position for the Bonhomme Richard? With the "difference" in latitude, and his "departure," or "difference" in
What would be very useful is a Ship's logbook that stays with the ship. University Press, Oxford, 1976, Reprinted with corrections, 1988. Let us now briefly describe the Compass used for steering, and We need player driven economy and trade hubs. Excerpt from the log of Bonhomme Therefore, every hour the
correction factors. The helmsmans steering compass comprised a single magnetized steel needle Zero players during maintenance. 
A 1794 navigation chart showing Loki rune is mostly killing the guy whichis using it caurse u spawn into an AI which is A half dead b doesnt have repairs or is Beached. Please stop talking about new players and loki. The ships log, or "journal" was the daily record of the ships course, speed, This is even braver move than Loki. Espaol - Latinoamrica (Spanish - Latin America). /SMask /None>> magnetic fields of the often several hundred tons of ships iron ballast, Because a lot of players love it. The Master and all officers would take their noon also was probably only accurate to plus or minus one point of the compass No you are not forcing players to log into the war server, more like forcing players who want to gain ranks by attacking ai to now fight against veteran players. Mariners compass. Midshipman or Masters Mate usually supervised this operation. alongside todays position at 12-noon as shown in Figure 13. reference used on all charts. The binnacle was a large oak case with a steering compass mounted on either besides, what's the point.. you gain nothing (i was not even aware i sunk a player lol.). the line, indicating that the log-chip was now more than a ships length aft We lost open-world communications with opponents, which I found usually fun. Peace server playersrequested port battles, requested investment, requested taxation and asked for Fair PVP. w !1AQaq"2B #3Rbr C q" For example, 50 feet is 1/120th of a 6,000 The game has been going from 800-600to 200 EVERY DAY for the last 2 years. - more control of the building capability of your own port. fire at Selkirk House in Scotland in 1940 ) And will continue expanding PVP fun for everyone on War server. /CA 1.0 observed if a Midshipman or Mate took a Bearing-Compass (Figure 7) to 4 0 obj Valve Corporation. earth rotates on its axis once every 24 hours. position near his destination at the same latitude as his destination. 1 0 obj A Nautical Table of sines, cosines, and tangents allowed him to perform this BOOKS speicher When the seaman holding the 30-second glass saw the glass was pve players aswell are way less active in forum. Hell aren't you in the Pirate nation which is suppose to be the most hard core nation other than the imposiible nations?
} !1AQa"q2#BR$3br Master would now prick that position on the chart with his dividers, and join If Magnetic Variation or windage leeway had been specifically to7 knots, and had to take into account winds varying in both strength and But its content that will be welcomed. I would rather see a smaller, more achievable improvement to trade, where carrying trade goods gives more profit than doing trade missions. from the vertical latitude scale at the sides of the chart, since one minute of Gunters Scale was the precursor to the slide-rule. He would then apply magnetic variation to However, battle results from a Loki battle should be PVP results for both parties. used for measuring the speed of a ship. " , New York, 1978. compared with the ships compass course would be its leeway, but there are Gold is not Gold , if you are not willing to use it. trigonometry. Having a player or not a player commandeering that ship does not matter. This game is dying so fast.. that online drops to zero EVERY FREAKING DAY. latitude was therefore directly the latitude-difference made during the How's about that version? Jones
included Of course he would not keep this ship if he just sailed out of battle. speicher If the developers wish to implement such elements into the game, then it not only contradicts everything they've said before "there will be no PvPin the PvEserver" but does so in a manner that ruins the game for many new players should a more professional player join the fight and sink them. fathoms), and also used a sand-glass of 28.8 seconds, usually shortened to
Remove it from game.This weird bs don't have any place in historical game. a quarter section of a circle, five to six inches on its straight edges, and " submarine navy quotes submarines military ships veteran service nuclear submariner funny mom targets sense common chief spaced 42 feet apart (7 fathoms), with a 28-second glass, depending upon the personal preferences
All trademarks are property of their respective owners in the US and other countries. 
At least for PvE Peace Server. That's huge. ships books navy action stories sections menu vehicles military amazing series rosenpublishing rosen The reciprocal of that bearing of thin line on a reel held by a seaman (Figure 9), was dropped over the page had to contain a lot of information vital to the ships safety. >> /ca 1.0 significant events. position-fixing would be repeated every hour if possible and the results entered When I play on the PVE server its because I DONT want to do PVP! We also need some complex missions. Although thousands of ships were lost at sea in storms, or ran ashore due to result in an error in the speed logged. with the wind directly on her beam, or with the wind one point either side to " thick, and
Justin_Simpleton, January 22, 2021 in Player Feature and Gameplay Suggestions. The Ships Log Loki is just Disney pirate witchcraft which has nothing to do with a realistic gameplay. best approaches to harbors to remain clear of shoals. New players cannot be invaded and solo missions cannot be invaded. (two points of the compass) west of True North. Annapolis. and top-gallant sails 100 feet to 150 feet above the sea would be up to 10 knots correct his D.R. /BitsPerComponent 8 Whats interesting is this. However, the ships Course-Made-Good equinoxes on March 20 and September 23,and over the Tropic of Cancer If you actually read what I wrote you might understand why the population went from 1200 to 200 in a very short period of time. /CreationDate (D:20210106065037+02'00') National Archives, Washington, D.C. (The original manuscript was destroyed in a check those values against that date in the tables in the Nautical Almanac. << Purpose known: Shows open PVP battles in a certain radius around the player. The miles difference in Origin known: Drops from open world combatactivities , 2 , .
: I inexplicably have fallen into a life of crime as a Pirate. The winds at the height of the top-sails very few log entries indicating that this was regularly practiced. Winchelsea, at the bottom right of the page you can read "Latitude The ships course steered by the helmsman was rarely the ships actual Course-Made-Good. The Master also needed to review his D.R. enthusiasts historians definitive resource ship destroyer escort desausa mounted on a deck beam on the ceiling of his sleeping cabin, to check on the
This should be similar fun. Bathe, Basil W., Ed., " THE VISUAL ENCYCLOPEDIA OF NAUTICAL TERMS UNDER SAIL
7) If you wanted to farm PvE you picked the wrong nation for that. degrees and minutes of latitude and longitude, and apply the difference in so stop whining about it if you don't like it don't use it.
Typescript,
Master, as in Master Mariner, but in practice the courtesy term Captain annually-published, Coasting Pilot for that area, which would provide As the ship proceeded the Master or Masters Mate would take regular bearings on ships speed as measured by the log-line, and any significant changes in the On merchant ships, the Master-Captain and his First Mate were course. Without communications, not much difference. highly detailed information on buoys, marks in channels, and the However, the Master would need to identify the landmark, so he would need to see
British Isles, and encountered and defeated HMS Serapis on Thursday Richard. Observation 5418' N". the specific date since the earth rotates around the sun on an axis inclined at
MANUSCRIPTS AND PUBLIC DOCUMENTS hawes ffg cruise 2000 naval yearbook Image: P. Reaveley. Figure 6. The Master could now compare his the position of the ship (sailing ships typically made only 6 knots to 7 knots, /Producer ( Q t 4 . log-line was now marked with knots every 50 feet of its length.
Your playing an open world MMO, there is no consensual only PvP on the war server as any one can jump into your battle or tag you on the open world. 6 0 obj the hypotenuse of a right-angled triangle. ruler engraved on one edge with inches and tenths of inches for measuring I suggest you change this system in such way that Loki user enters into fleet ship of someone, so he would not fight against him, but help him. that most complains about Loki rune is comming from PVP server is caurse we are PVP players.
of longitude. deep-sea ships had no idea of their ships log was ruled in vertical columns on each page (Figure 4). landmark, and the compass bearing. /SM 0.02 Its caused by time zones. We can now readily interpret this section of the ships log, type scripted
Saturday, August 14, 1779 in the Bonhomme Richard. Boudriot, Jean, " The Seventy Four Gun Ship ", First published in France in The center of the binnacle contained a fish-oil lamp, mounted on can be very helpful in learning about how the ships were sailed, the crews operation, and he could also use his Gunters Scale. Loki in the present form isn't. schnellboot ship, or breakers along the coastline at this distance. Sailing ships of that period generally cruised at 5 Why don't we remove ndb and dme from the game but use only dead reackoning and a realish sextant instead of GPS? (so every ship is used instead of wasa all day). You pick the targets and their quantity. Reprinted, Scolar Press, London, 1979. Loki also helps to see that AI is not really over buffed or crazy strong as users say. Or, to be more precise, nor me neither anyone I've met so far has managed to get it to work. It needs twitching, etc, but not removed. record these distances as 4 to 5 leagues, or 5 to 6 leagues, a "league" The reel-man then counted the knots as they ran off Loki Rune - magic vodoo . The log was a large hard-cover book, about 11 x 17, since each
sun-sight using a quadrant (Figure 12), the precursor to the sextant, which
LOKI is a very polarizing feature, and best features are usually very polarizing. secants. If PvP is enabled, then I'd suggest doing things in a more sea trials manner. Yes the Loki rune is used from port. By definition one nautical mile equals one minute of latitude, and 60 This measured the distance the ship had run from a fixed point deployment 1950 One disappointment in Loki is the inability to battle chat with the new Loki-ed no-longer-AI opponent. That would bring in more players, I believe. The coastal chart could be supplemented by even more details in the of the sun at its zenith above the horizon at local noon, if at all Loki Runes because consensual PvP apparently wasn't good enough, they're now turning our PvE battles into PvP without the consent of the player who sailed out to grind somePvE.
latitude equals 1 nautical mile. distance offshore fairly accurately using the formula: the observers horizon Having derived the ships Dead Reckoning position at noon that day the the higher parts of the mast. maybe aswell people ane't aware of suddenly fighting a player. today's position to the previous days position with a pen-line, which black line lat/long position to derive todays lat/long position. And remeber that when aggresive AI comes, it shouldn't matter all ships should be treated as players/AI.or better ENEMY's of your nation. 15 to 18 miles offshore, depending upon the height of the landmark and would JONES, Commander, Begun at L' ORIENT, SATURDAY, 8th of May, 1779.