Just rambling now. While not an issue for solo use, youre probably going to wake up a partner if you have to get out of a multi-person pyramid at night. 
I use my pyramid as my main winter skiing tent, above treeline, in high winds, and have never had any issues with it. Like what you see here? I would expect better snow shedding due to steeper walls and more structure, and similar or greater living volume in a smaller footprint. That's the tradeoff I suppose. This sub is about overnight backcountry backpacking, with a focus on moving efficiently, packing light, generally aiming at a sub 10 pound base weight, and following LNT principles. And then I would use 4 poles to pitch it in a double A frame (assuming two people) with something like an extended length DPTE. DM me about nursing/healthcare/ lifestyle if you want - current 2nd career ASN nursing student in Seattle with a lot of healthcare experience - can't answer anything about grad programs. You talk seem to have a lot of ideas for winter tents, and honestly I think Im not as well versed as you. Basically I want something highly versatile, useful as a 4 season shelter. Internal guylines are really awesome if you can rig them - I've added internal loops to multiple designs that lacked them. Would you trust your life with a pyramid over a single wall tent? r/Ultralight is the largest online Ultralight Backcountry Backpacking community! Compare it to the MLD supermid for example. It's nice. But I imagine we have similar thoughts about career and lifestyle. Edge clearance is usually less of an issue in winter because you can dig a pit into the snow under the pyramid to create more headroom. chim
IF the centre pole is strong enough, and IF the fabric is strong enough, then you only have 3 other things to worry about. Any type of tent will need to be guyed out anyway. about 4 pages down, pyramid climbing McKinley. It has all of the needed guy lines and center point point so that improvising is not needed. I like a flat tarp for the intangibles despite it not being always functional. Press J to jump to the feed. The pyraomm is silpoly and the wall angles make sense. Here are some hard-earned insights into how to use them and what to look for when purchasing one. Explain. Here is what they used in McKinley in the 70s. If your trekking pole is not long enough, you can lash it to a second trekking pole with a Voile ski strap to create a longer pole or extend it with a pole jack, which is essentially atent pole repair sleeve that fits over your trekking pole tip to make it longer. Sleeps two, weighs a hair over 1 pound. While headroom is quite good in the center of a pyramid, the ends can be quite low above your face or the tops of your feet. mytrailco But with HMGs build process I probably wouldn't be concerned about it.
Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, DurstonGear.com - Use DMs for questions to keep threads on topic. 5) Rig an A-frame with four ski poles and Voile straps for better stability and more room. 
I've had mine for 3yrs and it's in good shape but I don't think it's a lifetime shelter. The peak itself is usually reinforced so the center pole doesnt puncture it. I'm only 5'8" but it feels like I'm in a damn palace. All Rights Reserved. Good if the OP needs a big shelter for high winds. The floor dimensions are huge. Most smaller capacity pyramids (1-3 people)can be set up with a trekking pole instead of a separate tent pole, which is common with the ultralight pyramids made by cottage manufacturers. Because of the stretch silnylon is easier to pitch, but less consistent as it will sag. Usually the best option is a single wall tent. TREAD LABS INSOLES: As good as custom orthotics at a fraction of the price. Get our free Handbook and Receive our weekly newsletter to see what's new at Backpacking Light! 
The Silvertip is designed to fit really tall people - you would have no problem. I combine it with a Tyvek groundsheet to provide some sort of dryness. But they are heavy. The Front Range for your extreme case, and something like the Seek Outside Silex (17 oz, $195) or a MLD SoloMid/DuoMid for the warmer months. I dont really want a burly 8lb mountaineering tent that I will only use a couple times if I can manage to make something else work. In order for it to work well, you need to be able to stretch it out. 
Couple of thoughts.
You're definitely right to be looking at mids. Sleeps four people, weighs 1650 g (3 lb 10 oz). Connect with them at their website and on Instagram. It would be for everything from expedition tent (or cook tent), to a ski touring tent, to solo summer backpacking. teepee campeggio ultralight esterna piramide ultraleggera acampar refugio ultraligero piramidal I plan on stretching its use as a four season tent in the snow by digging it out/building walls and guying it out well. I have an ultamid 4 and really enjoy it. For modern tunnel tents look at Stevenson Warmlite, Hilleberg, and the MSR dragontail. The traditional way to set them up used a cord around the circumference that all the other tie outs were pre tied to. I'll second the Ultamid 4 as an excellent 4-season tent. Lots of pyramid tents have a pretty high profile, so high wind can really tear those apart. Didnt trust it in that situation? Hell if you wanted to you could even have a totally integrated floor sewn to the top like a Dome mountaineering tent - just gotta make sure the ventillation options are adequate. I'm just across the border from OP in the Yukon and I've used mine for years, summer and winter. I think u/Melatoninpenguin and maybe u/bsarocker are using a Silvertip? Better climate control: Lift up the bottom a bit if you need some ventilation, or bunker down from a storm by putting snow blocks on the outside. You must be logged in to reply to this topic. The way they position the seams, shape the tarp are different and effect stormproofness, interior room, etc. New Customer Discount. The X-Mid 2P might work as a mid-inspired tent. How much wind can a pyramid take?
Next up ensure your mid panel tie outs make sense - that would (along with geometry and bias) be the key for making a mid an actual 4 season shelter rather than a weight savings device (I would give the nod to SO here with a sod skirt and all of the above). Tired of messing with gimicky UL tents and would like a 2 shelter setup of flat tarp and mid/mid-ish. Id be interested in what you would think is the most versatile 4 season shelter that you would trust in a committed high alpine situation lets assume its not a bivy ledge, so footprint is less of a concern. If sleeping on the ground doesnt appeal to you or if you need insect protection, you can add an inner tent to a pyramid tarp to create a double-walled tent. Sorry to thread highjack but just curious here. Free Shipping and Returns. Why? The big problem with mids - two or one pole - is they do take up a lot of floor space. How are you going to find a stick above the treeline in winter? Harder to pitch in tightly forested areas or on little mountain ledges. Without skins, point your skis downhill. 2) Remove snow in blocks, which youll use later. Note that many of the pyramids not the same shape. Connect with us on Face-gram, Insta-book and the Tube via the icons below. The benefit of a good single wall is the fact that when your cold and tired you can just get inside and easily set it up, then go outside stake it out and have a sturdy reliable shelter. * The windward side can flatten down a bit, so guy lines at the mid0height are advised. pyramid tent luxe backpacking hiking gear 2p GOSSAMER-GEAR: Take 15% Off all Gossamer Gear Backpacks, Tents, Tarps, Trekking Poles and Accessories with Coupon Code "SECTIONHIKER22". Is that a common method? Anyways just thoughts. The shape is a bit harder to pitch than a 4 sided mid but that also means it has smaller individual panels for snow to deflect inwards so you lose less space and gain strength (and wind performance). The Silvertip is your base camp and group shelter and can later be your cook tent. Cuben tends to do worse for longevity. In the wind, in the winter with gloves I would want a second person. Big yellow plastic stakes work good in soft or medium snow, but if it gets too hard and icy, they are difficult to drive in (since they are plastic). (Check out their hashtag #sknowmore for specific backcountry ski tips.). Free Shipping and Returns. Pyramid tarps and tents have a fairly large footprint, which can make it difficult to pitch in heavily forested terrain where you need to wedge them between trees. Pyramid tents and tarps are prone to internal condensation just like any other single or double-walled tent and shelter. This feature requires an active Backpacking Light Membership. You could probably reduce the total footprint and still get plenty of useable room for two with the A frame pitch and no interior. 23 oz or 26 is really remarkable for a high-performance tent, but do you really want a 4-person footprint for 3-season conditions? Durable fabrics, both should weather with the best of them. When evaluating multi-person pyramids, try to find ones that let you orient your head facing the front wall so you and your partner(s) have equal access to the door, rather than pyramids where youre lying perpendicular to the door. A small and tangential point - I remember both the Eolus and Silex coming in at 3-5 ounces overweight after seam sealing based on user reports on Rokslide. Because of the extra space and ventilation, it's safer and more convenient to cook inside your tent (even though this is still probably against manufacturer recommendations.) And for extra ventillation two tunnel vents positioned partway up the side walls opposite the roof vents for when you seal the bottom with snow. The eVent walls work better than you think and if you get one with a tunnel vent you can also cross ventillate very well. Use the links below to share this content: Viewing 22 posts - 1 through 22 (of 22 total), Live Webinar - Introduction to Map & Compass - July 2 @ 9 AM US MDT, http://brooks-range.com/Invasion-Tent.html, http://www.outdoorgearlab.com/4-Season-Tent-Reviews/Brooks-Range-Invasion. I suppose 3 tents makes sense but then I feel like I'm just chasing gear purchases. You took 3 feet of snow and 30 mph winds but you would not use it on a volcano? Simply flatten the tent and put a few snow blocks in the middle to keep it from blowing away when you're gone. Comment *document.getElementById("comment").setAttribute( "id", "a40444861b7b552cc01bae287618b53c" );document.getElementById("je705695a8").setAttribute( "id", "comment" ); BACKCOUNTRY.COM: Get 15% Off Your First Order. Just don't expect to ride out storms or deal with heavy snow dumps (and to be fair you're asking about mids that could compete with Hilleberg essentially as a one and done, do it all, long term cost - so maybe bringing up those tent's isn't worth it?). Think about geometry and tie out options - wall angle should be a leading concern. Will either compete with stepping up to a Hilleberg? Finally if you're not a weight weenie the Cimarron (for a larger footprint) and the Silvertip (for a smaller footprint) both make a lot of sense. It is correct that one good UL solution is to tie off to a buried stick. http://smg.photobucket.com/user/TimberlineX/media/TentsforSaleJune2009003.jpg.html. http://www.outdoorgearlab.com/4-Season-Tent-Reviews/Brooks-Range-Invasion. Most pyramid tents and tarps have a single front door, which can be problematic depending on its position and the number of people sharing the shelter. The Rab Latok Mountain 2/3 would be a good alternative. Trying to dig down to ground level can be problematic. As for strength although the fabric is stronger the more likely failure is pulling out anchors which cuben will put more force on from the lack of stretch. You can watch the documentary on Amazon. Floorless, so no more sleeping in a puddle of accumulated meltwater. If you use an inner tent with a pyramid tarp, youve effectively turned it into a double-wall tent, with all of the advantages and disadvantages commonly associated with them. Actually lemme not write this out, i'll snap a photo of an old paper I have detailing some mids in that category. Small stuff sacks for deadmen are very strong. Besides being lighter weight, DCF shelters are usually seam-taped, so you dont have to seam seal them. They couldn't. 15% Off New Customer Discount with Coupon Code SECTIONHIKER15. That catches less wind, but to do that, you have to have a center pole that can be reduced to two-thirds length. The material also does not stretch when it gets wet by rain or morning dew. A heavy geodesic dome works, but is heavy. Setting up a pyramid tent by yourself is never easy. Pyramid tarps are a popular ultralight backpacking shelter option because theyre relatively lightweight and wind-resistant. You should get a confirmation email soon; please click it to be added. Another vote for the Mega Light. It makes a lot of functional sense. I kind of already knew the answers but with about 1lb per person with a pyramid I would love to take it to the mountains. to make a commercial model, which I think was the Megamid. We used it on a high alpine bench (~10,000ft), and it held up well in the winds. For what it's worth, Max Neale strongly advocates for this tent in his 4-season Alaska adventures, including Denali. If $1100 is in your budget, maybe look at getting two sil nylon shelters. If you opt not to use an inner tent in a pyramid tarp, you can use a lightweight footprint, like Tyvek or window wrap, as a waterproof groundsheet, or an ultralight bivy sack with a mesh hood for added insect protection. Also packs smaller which is nice. We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites. Backpacking Light helps hikers and other backcountry enthusiasts overcome their barriers to living a life outside in Wild Places. I have been looking for some used integral designs and black diamond tents for sale. I am looking into a pyramid tent. The shape of the footprint circular versus square or rectangular can also have an impact on the amount of edge clearance you have. Too much work to keep it from collapsing? It's quite nice to have a floorless tent so water doesn't really pool at the bottom, it just freezes. Yes, finding a stick might be difficult. No it's not that light, but it goes up anywhere in any conditions and one person can pitch it easily. Check for the latest price at: Mountain Laurel Designs, Check for the latest price at: Six Moon Designs, Check for the latest price at: Zpacks.com, Check for the latest price at: Hyperlite Mountain Gear, Check for the latest price at: Locus Gear, Check for the latest price at: Seek Outside, Check for the latest price at: MSR | OutdoorPlay, Check for the latest price at Black Diamond.
